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So voter registration fraud is OK, because it hasn't been converted into vote fraud yet?

I wrote that voter registration fraud is "iis illegal and can wreak havoc on registrar's offices." Clearly, it's a problem. But the representations of it have been highly misleading, and the fall out from that misrepresentation can be severe.

The greatest danger of voter fraud in the coming elections will be hacking of the touch screen voting machines. Even those states which have a paper trail that supposedly can verify questionable precincts are at risk. My knowledge comes from personal experience in two elections and in trying to make the system more secure. What may look good on paper may have serious flaws in execution. I have found that neither party wants a secure system. In my opinion, the election will be won by the party with the best hackers.

Over the weekend my son of sixteen came home and told me he was register to vote. I told him that impossible it's not legal. He was some how register to vote while he was at the Mall. He told them he was underage and they didn't care said it was alright. I went to the mall and guess what it was ACORN doing this. So don't tell me there not doing anything wrong. I experienced it. I was there

If the Obama camp is so upset about this, maybe they should TAKE BACK THE $800,000 THEY GAVE TO THEM!

If Obama wins it's because ACORN is registering dead people and 7 year olds to vote for Obama- by way of his $800,000.

Did you also know that there are 2 DA's in Kansas City who were told to prosecute anyone who says anything that could be thought as false about Obama? This is where it starts and then Obama will be hiring the thought police so if you even look like you're thinking negatively about Obama you will be killed. This is how the Gestapo started- and it's how America will be if Obama wins. Hello North Korea!!!!!

Anonymous 10/10/2008 13:01, did you even read this article? He said "Many are paid by a quota system, meaning they have to submit a certain number of forms every day. If a canvasser trying to hit their numbers -- with ACORN (*or any other group for that matter), most are low-income individuals -- thinks he or she is going to fall short and could potentially lose the job, one might turn in faulty forms in hopes they will slip by. This is illegal and can wreak havoc on registrar's offices, but there's no evidence these imaginary people turn around and vote in November".

He didn't deny at ALL that in a very few cases, an extremely small percentage of canvassers may be submitting invalid registrations. This should NOT be ANY indication of ACORN as a whole and how they operate. If a few people (from ANY group) decide to shirk their responsibilities and submit suspicious or fraudulent registrations, that isn’t ACORN’s fault. ACORN fires these people and flags these suspicious registrations as possibly problematic. However, they are still required by most State laws to turn them in anyway. Why else do you think that EVERY single one of the registrations in that pile were fraudulent? ACORN had already sorted through them and weeded out those “suspicious” registrations and had marked them as such.

Obama is now saying that he didn't really have that much to do with Acorn. Is there enough room under the bus for Acorn in addtion to his racist grandmother, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, his chair of VP search committee (ex Fannie Mae CEO), two successive Muslim outreach chairs, .......

Don't forget to come back and Let us know what happens when your 16 year son or Mickey Mouse shows up at the polling place and tries to vote.

The original article says: "Many are paid by a quota system, meaning they have to submit a certain number of forms every day."

However, I believe that's incorrect. The ACORN workers are paid by the hour, not by the registration.

Beyond that, of course, thanks for the good work in telling the TRUTH about the GOP's ACORN "voter fraud" scam!!

After reading the whole story - I see the GOP farce.
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Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?

We wont.

Obama is not responsible for Acorn...its conceivable that his campaign donated to Acorn to encourage voter registration...period. He was 8 yrs old when Ayers committed his acts...he is not responsible for Ayers...period. If you are not a Black American, you can not understand that ongoing pains of Black America which Rev. Wright expressed...but can you understand that Sarah Palin endorses the independence party in Alaska who wants to be a separate and independent nation from America and denounces America in the worst written word possible (see adn.com). Sarah Palin is a republican and Todd Palin is not a republican...he follows the independence party of Alaska...who have expressed hatred for America....period.

John Mccain, Sarah Palin, and Cindy Mccain have recently campaigned against Obama where as hatred, slander, and violence has been incited in American. They are referring to Obama as a traitor, arab, someone not like us (white), someone to kill, just plain hate-mongers...period. John Mccain (one of the Keating 5) aided the fall of the saving and loans (which cause the loss of farms) while Cindy Mccain invested with the saving and loan embezzlers (John Mccain admitting being aware of this financial gain for his family)....outrageous, period.

Sarah Palin and Todd Palin used her elected office in an attempt to have her ex-brother-in-law fired...resulting in Walt Monegan losing his job. In 2005 an Alaskan judge ordered the Palin's to back off of their obsession to destroy Wooten (the ex-brother-in-law)....misuse of office....period. The 230 million dollars in earmarks for the bridge to nowhere records of how the money was spent have alledgedly disappeared....Sarah Palin's friend was assigned to govern the dispensing of these funds?...hummmm. no need to ponder this one...period.

Sarah Palin has had three interviews which clearly depict her inability to mentally express an intelligent thought....fact...period. One can go on and on with shady dealings of the Mccain/Palin creditability....period. Q: When did politicians gain the reputation of being honest...period.

Until we get past the "thieves we like" vs. "thieves we don't like" America is screwed.

THE BOLD FACED LIES from everywhere and everyone is reaching epic and historic proportions. Electronic voting is as stupid as issuing home loans to people without verifying social security numbers.

Again this election comes down to the devil I know versus the devil I don't know. And when has anything good come from the political hotbed in Chicago.

We need to PURGE CONGRESS - NOT ENABLE THEM.

"That's not the Acorn I know."

"Actually, now that I think about it, I don't even know them"

"Anybody who says I know Acorn, even if they quote my own speeches to prove it, is swift-boating me, and that means they are really hurting you. Frankly, felons registering fake voters is just not an issue -- the issue is convincing you that George Bush is on the ballot, and anybody who says he isn't is lying and smearing and you won't stand for it."

"Fight the smears, they're all lies, I never met Acorn, Ayres, Reverend Wright, Rezko, corrupt Chicago politicians, any of them. They just passed me in the neighborhood and I didn't even wave back to them. The American people don't want to focus on the politics of personal destruction, they won't stand for it. They won't stand for any inquiry into my judgment or belief system whatsoever. They can't afford 8 more years of George W. Bush, who is single handedly responsible for everything that has gone wrong in this country. I mean, a little puppy got hit by a car the other day in my neighborhood, because there wasn't a stop sign there. And if George W. Bush and John McCain hadn't been distracted by the war in Iraq, they would have put up that stop sign, and fluffy would be alive today. What was your question about again?"

Maybe the following were missed when folks read about ACORN
1. They are the middle man in passing voter REGISTRATION forms to the Supervisor of Elections
2 They are required by law to pass on any and all voter registration forms - they do not decide if a form is correct, complete, legitimate etc. etc. We don't want them to. We want elections employees to do that.
3 The voter Registration form is not a Vote. Applying to register to vote only results in an actual vote being cast IF the registration form is processed and veted by the election employees resulting in thei registrant becoming part of the official voter list. You know the list those little old ladies and men refer to when you go in to vote and give them your ID.
4. In order to vote you must provide identification. - in this instance the State requires photo id.
5. REGISTRATION FRAUD does not necessarily result in VOTER FRAUD. VOTER FRAUD REQUIRES A VOTE.
6. If ACORN employees did not do their job -, "riped off their employer" - they should definitely be held responsible. An employer who has one of his employees steal from them should not be punished for the employee's crime. They SHOULD, in good business practice, do all they can to deter this from happening. In the case of Registrations - it is also a responsibility of the employer to do so.

The best thing the clerks office in Indiana could do, would be to allow the courthouses (the 3 satellite locations) to help process the registrations. Do they not trust their own courthouses, or is it simply easier for the GOP to have their hand in those files if they are in one place? It makes more sense to allow the locations than it does to refuse them. In Indiana you are required to show picture ID making it near impossible for fraudulent voting to take place. One reason there may be some duplicate, is that there have been numerous registration drives in the state to re-register voters whose names were purged from the list because they have not voted since before the 2006 election. If a voter checked to see if they were registered at www.indianavoters.com, and found they were not shown as being registered, they may have filled out another form, not knowing there have been delays in the clerks office getting those registrations in the database. When entering the registrations, they can simply toss duplicate registrations, or is that too difficult a task for them? It's not like those people would actually be able to vote twice, unless of course, they are republicans. Living in Lake County Indiana, I have always known that Indiana was notorious for doing everything it can to keep us from voting, it is common knowledge, not paranoia. The GOP not only fears losing the presidential election, but if we here in Lake County vote straight Democratic ticket, then Bush's buddy Mitch Daniels will be out of a job.

Let the GOP have their way, it will do them no good. We have been prepared for this. Since the start of early voting, we have been driving any voter who needs a ride, to Crown Point to vote. We are a small army and we have the resources, and the days until November 4th, to make sure each and every one of them makes their way to Crown Point to vote.

And, John McCain thought volunteers couldn't make a difference - lol.

The problem with Voter Registration Fraud, is it appears that more people are registering for a particular candidate - this drives the psychology of the race so that people will think a particular candidate is popular, is going to win. It is dishonest and the fact the Obama campaign tried to hide the money it gave to an ACORN partner is suspect.

I am no longer a Democrat because what has happened this year is dishonest and goes against everything a Democrat would be for. Voter suppression, Voter Fraud and Registration fraud are serious issues that undermine our electoral process.

Obviously Mickey Mouse cannot vote - unless some poor guy was actually named that by his parents.

The bottom line, here, folks is that BOTH parties are to blame. Nowhere in this article did it state that ACORN is deliberately, fraudulently registering more Democrats than Republicans.

And I definitely agree with Non-Shouting Laura who pointed out the points that others missed. Add mine to the list. :)

Anonymous -- I don't think it's a good idea to test this out by having your 16-year-old son attempt to vote, particularly by absentee ballot. A spurious voter registration is like vandalism or a prank phone call, while actually voting that way is fraud.

To the other Anonymous who claims to have left the Democratic party over this, please. Are you going to register as a Republican and then leave them over the much more substantive issue of real vote fraud -- Diebold, a *very* Republican-friendly company, still refuses to produce independently verifiable records.

You have got to be kidding if you think you can defend ACORN using any reasoning, or more likely lack there of! The Progressive/Eugenist movement is pathetic and deserves nothing more than what the founders did with Tar and feathers to loyalist, or what the country experienced with McCarthyism in the early 20th century when the progressive movement began.